My daughter is expecting!!!

[P. Dutta]

My daughter got married on 11th December 2011 and she is pregnant now for 2.5 months. The baby is due by December 2012/January 2013. I would like to know how will everything go for her in the coming months? Do you see any chance of miscarriage/child-problem in her life? In her Rashi chart, my daughter has debilitated Moon in 5H along with Ketu. Will it be a male or female baby? I have posted below details of my daughter and son-in-law.

Daughter: 17th May 1984; 11:07 am; Kolkata
Son-in-law: 17th September 1980; 3:30 am; Kolkata

Regards,
Mr P. Dutta

[Shrikanth]

Dear P Dutta,

Reviewing both husband and wife's chart - I find that the girls chart is more convincing.
The male chart aligns well if we add about +2 mins to the time.

Using the girls chart D7 - Moon debilitated but a strong Sun in a trine; Jupiter is well placed in a quadrant as well. So the karakas are well positioned indicating matters progressing well - no complications.

The first child is to be indicated by Pisces (Cancer Asc counting in reverse); Jupiter and Mars have exchanged signs - this clearly indicates a male child.

Dictum says that The birth of child shall occur during the periods of the planets in the 3rd or the 8th from the paka lord. Here the paka lord is Jupiter placed in Aries.

So the child should be born during periods of Sun, Moon or Merc. (Sun and Moon are in the 8th from Jup)

If your daughter is 2.5 months pregnant now the delivery should be mostly around Jan 20, 2013 (hopefully not earlier). . Jan 20 timeframe aligns very well with Sun/Moon/Merc period.

Given the fact that Paka lord is Jupiter and placed in a fire sign Aries, I'd say that the child should be born with Fire sign Ascendant - like Aries, Leo or Sagittarius.

So for the first time around - I'd venture (and stick my head out ) and say that your grandson should be born in the morning hours 5:00a of Jan 20.

With best wishes
Regards
Shrikanth

[P. Dutta]

Shrikanth ji,

Initially I had mistakenly typed incorrect birth year of my son-in-law. He was born in 1980, not 1984.
Can you please go through the charts once again and say if there is any modification to your predictions made above?
Also, can the couple expect a second child? If yes, when? Male or female?
Extremely sorry for the typo and thanks for your precious time.

Regards,
Mr. P. Dutta

[Sujit]

P.Dutta

The problem due to Ketu is less but it is the weakness of debilitated Moon which can give challenges for her health. Saturn's aspect on jupiter can also pose challenges.

Regards
Sujit

[Shrikanth]

Dear P Dutta

I'm glad I mostly used your daughters chart.

So no changes to what I said earlier.

Regards
Shrikanth

[Humannature]

So for the first time around - I'd venture (and stick my head out ) and say that your grandson should be born in the morning hours 5:00a of Jan 20.

With best wishes
Regards
Shrikanth

Wow!!!!
Astrology can be that precise!

[anuradha]

My daughter is expecting!!!
by P. Dutta » 300612

My daughter got married on 11th December 2011 and she is pregnant now for 2.5 months. The baby is due by December 2012/January 2013. I would like to know how will everything go for her in the coming months? Do you see any chance of miscarriage/child-problem in her life? In her Rashi chart, my daughter has debilitated Moon in 5H along with Ketu. Will it be a male or female baby? I have posted below details of my daughter and son-in-law.

Daughter: 17th May 1984; 11:07 am; Kolkata
Son-in-law: 17th September 1980; 3:30 am; Kolkata

Regards,
Mr P. Dutta

Dear P Dutta,

Reviewing both husband and wife's chart - I find that the girls chart is more convincing.
The male chart aligns well if we add about +2 mins to the time.

Using the girls chart D7 - Moon debilitated but a strong Sun in a trine; Jupiter is well placed in a quadrant as well. So the karakas are well positioned indicating matters progressing well - no complications.

The first child is to be indicated by Pisces (Cancer Asc counting in reverse); Jupiter and Mars have exchanged signs - this clearly indicates a male child.

Dictum says that The birth of child shall occur during the periods of the planets in the 3rd or the 8th from the paka lord. Here the paka lord is Jupiter placed in Aries.

So the child should be born during periods of Sun, Moon or Merc. (Sun and Moon are in the 8th from Jup)

If your daughter is 2.5 months pregnant now the delivery should be mostly around Jan 20, 2013 (hopefully not earlier). . Jan 20 timeframe aligns very well with Sun/Moon/Merc period.

Given the fact that Paka lord is Jupiter and placed in a fire sign Aries, I'd say that the child should be born with Fire sign Ascendant - like Aries, Leo or Sagittarius.

So for the first time around - I'd venture (and stick my head out ) and say that your grandson should be born in the morning hours 5:00a of Jan 20.

With best wishes
Regards
Shrikanth

e: My daughter is expecting!!!
by P. Dutta » 300612

Shrikanth ji,

Initially I had mistakenly typed incorrect birth year of my son-in-law. He was born in 1980, not 1984.
Can you please go through the charts once again and say if there is any modification to your predictions made above?
Also, can the couple expect a second child? If yes, when? Male or female?
Extremely sorry for the typo and thanks for your precious time.

Regards,
Mr. P. Dutta

Is it morally and ethically correct especially, if an Indian is asking and replying such question? regards

[Shrikanth]

Dear anuradha,

I'll reply to the "replying such questions" part.

When a member posts a question - whatever the question be I as an Astrologer don't look at the nationality or the intent of the question.
Pretty much akin to a doctor treating a patient without asking his personal background.
I just look at the question and answer it to the best of my abilities.

Yes such response can be misused - but we cannot the bury the science of Astrology - just because a few choose to misuse.
We astrologers do it with a clear conscience, with faith in the divine - so shouldn't feel bogged down by the consequences as well.

Regards
Shrikanth

[P. Dutta]

Is it morally and ethically correct especially, if an Indian is asking and replying such question? regards

For "asking such question" part:

Anuradha ji,
Is it a sin if an Indian asks such questions and "ok" if a non-Indian asks it?

If I had any evil intension with the gender of the baby, I could have gone to a doctor's clinic instead of asking the question in a free astrological forum. Nobody would risk to misuse (more clearly, "abort") the baby based on an astrologer's predictions only.
I saw many people in this forum asking about the gender of their would-be-child. You didn't raise any question towards their intension.

Be rest assured, I have no evil intension with the sex of the child. Like many other people in this forum, I too asked the question just out of curiosity. It didn't come into my mind that some member might dig-out an "evil intension" or consider it "immoral" or "unethical" for an Indian to ask such question.

Thanks Shrikanth ji once again for treating an astrological question astrologically only. I will provide you feedback once the baby is delivered.

Regards,
Mr P. Dutta

[anuradha]

For "asking such question" part:

Anuradha ji,
Is it a sin if an Indian asks such questions and "ok" if a non-Indian asks it?

Yes, because its a social problem of gender bias in India.

I saw many people in this forum asking about the gender of their would-be-child. You didn't raise any question towards their intension.

Kindly read my earlier posts.

I too asked the question just out of curiosity. It didn't come into my mind that some member might dig-out an "evil intension" or consider it "immoral" or "unethical" for an Indian to ask such question.

If you consider both the gender equal then there is no need of asking male or female twice.
My earlier post in response to Shrikantji is being deleted, without any information to me. regards

[R V RAMANAN]

Dear anuradha,
I deleted your post because i felt it was unwarranted. You had raised an objection and shrikanth had given an answer which was clear in no uncertain terms. After that without understanding the reply of shrikanth, just to substantiate your objection looked pretty odd.

There seems to be no gender bias issue involved here. The question was answered by shrikanth from an astrological view point.

You can choose some other thread and make it a podium for your socio-economic reforms.

Regards,
Ramanan

[rita]

Dear Shrikanth Ji,

I would be very grateful if you could kindly explain how to derive Paka Lord. Is Paka Lord same as Paka Lagna?

You mentioned that the girl's Paka Lord is Jupiter placed in Aries. I guess you mean in D7?

Also, Sun and Moon are in 8th to Jupiter in D7, however Mercury is in 2nd to Jupiter therefore I do not understand how Mercury plays a part.

Many thanks for your help.

Regards,
Rita

[Shrikanth]

Dear rita,

You can read about reckoning children from Saptamsa from this link
http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3_0/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3982

In this girls chart
D7 Saptamsa lagna is Cancer (even) so the first child is counter clockwise
Pisces is the Paka
Jupiter is the Pakesha (lord of the Paka)
Jupiter is placed in Aries (exchanging signs with Mars)

As I indicated the birth is usually associated with the planets in the 3rd/8th or if no planets the lord of the 3/8.
Sun, Moon are in the 8th and Mercury is the 3rd lord.

As for the gender of the child it is Male since Aries and Pisces both give male child.

Shrikanth

[rita]

Many thanks Shrikanthji. Much appreciated.

Regards,
Rita

[P. Dutta]

Dear Shrikanth ji,

I became a grandfather as my daughter prematurely gave birth to a baby girl today 23rd Nov at 11.00 am. The baby is a bit under-weight, but both mother and child are doing well.

Thanks for your time and effort in analysing my daughter's chart, but your prediction didn't quite come true. (You wrote it will be a male child and would be born on 20th Jan 2013 at 5:00 am.)

Regards,
Mr. P. Dutta

[Shrikanth]

Dear P Dutta,

Congratulations on becoming a grand father.
My best wishes to the baby and the rest of the family.

Thanks for the feedback. Its okay if my predictions failed on two counts.

Regards
Shrikanth

[KET]

Dear anuradha,
I deleted your post because i felt it was unwarranted. You had raised an objection and shrikanth had given an answer which was clear in no uncertain terms. After that without understanding the reply of shrikanth, just to substantiate your objection looked pretty odd.

There seems to be no gender bias issue involved here. The question was answered by shrikanth from an astrological view point.

You can choose some other thread and make it a podium for your socio-economic reforms.

Regards,
Ramanan

Ramanan sir,

With due respect to you and your learnings, I do not agree with your comments on the raised objections made by Anuradha ji. Anuradha ji has raised important objection in appropriate thread and thre is no need to raise any other threads/ or any events and as your quoted socio-economic platforms.

Ramanan sir... this objection is not pertaining to socio economic issue... it is related to the law and the judiciary law. It is passed by the Govt of India as a law, those couple or any person aides in determining the gender of a foetus before the delivery. The method resorted whether it is USG or any forms of investigation whether it is blood test or natal horoscope it is against the law, the person making a query through wish by any means or service to an investigator( like a Sonologist or a doctor or pathologist or a simple astrologer), both need to be punished as per the Indian Govt law act or as well from Medical Council act too.

It is sad LOVA is encouraging such kind of queries which are against local law or legislated act. The so called astrologers sitting in U.S. ( these people have migrated to U.S.) DOES NOT RESPECT the law of Indian land.

I have discussed with couple of my legal friends on this practice employed by astrologer and the website in encouraging such queries from readers and responding, instead of discouraging. Legal friends suggested me few and asked me to write to moderator first on the raised isues, if they delete your raised objections or they still encouraging those queries, these can be tackled through local enforcement agencies by complaining on queriest, moderators, respondents and on the website, further these prevailing issues can be highlighted with Govt NGOs and Human activist organization and also launching legal case against folks involved.

[R V RAMANAN]

Dear Ket,

There is no need to make an issue out of this.As you are fully aware that male /female ,planets /signs attached to the house of progeny, gives respective genders and that was what was predicted by shrikanth ..Now please tell me where is the question of any gender bias here.

Regards
ramanan

[KET]

Excuse me Ramanan ji..

It is a issue, here there is breach of local law in determing the natal test through horoscope metho of person. It akin to natal test done in foetus by Sonogaphy, which is been banned by Govt of India.

By any means, through horoscope talking about potential natal test ( gender) through male/ female signs... respective houses... ( like determining chromosomes test for foetus determining the gender)

As I said earlier in my post, further discussion with Legal folks, yes there is involvement of gender determining procedure here, and please do not call it is as Socio economic issue.

Why the queriest wants to know gender of the baby before native's daughter's deivery... and the mother has not asked the question... why????

May I also know why such kind of query of knowing the gender of foetus been entertained by moderators of LOVA and why the law of the land been breached by LOVA in answering such queries by their moderators...

[Vaughn Paul]

Dear All,
I think the issue here is whether an interpretation by an astrologer as to the gender of a fetus could lead to violence (the ideal being to live by ahimsa, non-violence). It certainly can, because every Indian probably knows that there is a bias toward male offspring and female fetuses and even female newborns are sometimes exterminated. It's a sad fact, and it's a social issue confined mostly to the Indian culture that I'm aware of. It's also become a legal issue now apparently. Being that most of our members on LOVA are Indian, I think we should start a policy that we no longer allow questions as to the gender of an unborn child. I'm probably at fault, if anyone's at fault, for not instigating this sooner on the forum.

We always have to keep in mind Desh (country), Kaal (time period), and Patra (personal background) of the native when talking about astrology, so say the classic texts. If I get asked this question by an Indian living in the India, I shouldn't give them the same response that I would to an American living in the US where there's no social issue about predicting the gender of a child. Of course, on this forum we usually don't know the country of the querist, but since we know that the majority are from India, we should have this policy. Vaughn Paul

[deeps]

R V RAMANAN » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:04 pm

Dear Ket,

There is no need to make an issue out of this.As you are fully aware that male /female ,planets /signs attached to the house of progeny, gives respective genders and that was what was predicted by shrikanth ..Now please tell me where is the question of any gender bias here.

Regards
ramanan

I fully agree with Ramanan here. People themselves ask me which gender and I tell them with a good intention. But if I come to know of any dirty tricks, I will have them sent to mental asylum forcibly

[KET]

Dear All,
I think the issue here is whether an interpretation by an astrologer as to the gender of a fetus could lead to violence (the ideal being to live by ahimsa, non-violence). It certainly can, because every Indian probably knows that there is a bias toward male offspring and female fetuses and even female newborns are sometimes exterminated. It's a sad fact, and it's a social issue confined mostly to the Indian culture that I'm aware of. It's also become a legal issue now apparently. Being that most of our members on LOVA are Indian, I think we should start a policy that we no longer allow questions as to the gender of an unborn child. I'm probably at fault, if anyone's at fault, for not instigating this sooner. Vaughn Paul

Paul Vaughn ji

I appreciate your setting the tone to review the policy on astrology and foetus queries by queriest. I again you salute you to in deciphering the meaning of this query... non violence, ahimsa.... potential incurring sins both by astrologer and the queriest... it is close to a brahma hatya dosham. Even there are lots of reports(medical) and literature says strict catholic followers countries Ireland, Spain they do not entertain pre natal sex determination test of foetus nor they encourage MTP or to abort the foetus. only in extreme cases, when there is life threatening problem to mother ( with consent from mother), MTP is done.

Paul ji, when there is communications or interactions taking place across our planet ( with different countries), like LOVA,( as business enterprise have their ethics, policy, social responsibility), people need to respect the important point that is respecting the law of that country when there is interaction takes place. It is sad people living in the country does not know the law and twisting the matter, thereby inviting potential legal issues to the enterprise. Hope I am making a point.

If I may suggest, inorder to deter this kind of query appearing from queriest in future, a pop up window or small insertion of a txt in LOVA saying this website does not entertain any queries on relation sex determination of foetus in whatsoever manner, if any astrologer makes prediction of this kind they are doing on their own risk.

Regards
KET