All my Planets in the Correct Signs for Representing Lord Vishnu Avatars

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Re: All my Planets in the Correct Signs for Representing Lord Vishnu Avatars

Post by Khoo Hock Leong » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:24 am

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Yes, avatars are linked to planets. But the signs are the playground or the resources of the avatars.

The playground that is most representative of carrying the actions of the avatar AS TOLD IN THE PURANIC STORIES and not what the planet does best like its moolatrikona, exaltation or own sign, is what I am driving at.

If the sign in question happens to be the planet's own sign, it does not also imply that the two signs the planet rules collapse into one. Why would that be? Each sign by itself, whether moolatrikona, own, exaltation or the sign exemplified by the Puranic story stands by itself as to the playground resources that it signifies.

Why do the signs signify playground resources of the avatar? This is because even if you need Purusha (signs in Parasara Astrology) and Prakritti (planets in Parasara Astrology which also happens to stand for avatar since it is linked with actions) to create culture or in other words to fulfill all Prakritti and Purusha potential, BUT THEN if you read the scriptures closely, the evolving of culture STARTS MAINLY FROM Purusha, ie. like the six senses, mind and intellect to begin with evolve from the Gunas and the Elements; for example; it means the combinations of a culture is hand-picked by Prakritti most of the time just like Parvarti chases Shiva.

So the idea is which avatar (planet) situated in which sign (the playground resource) is conducive to the culture (the particular Vishnu avatar story in the Purana) that is being explained in the Puranic stories.

Your second point :

That any idea can be started from any sign, like 7th to Leo (the king) is the public of the king, 7th to Aires is Libra is the public of oneself where we get our choice of partners (although you use the analogy of Libra as milk which I do not quite understand since milk is governed by the breasts which is Cancer) etc.

But here we are talking about the masses in general and that would be Cancer - Moon is the general significator and Saturn is the specialised significator when either one is placed in Cancer. So 7th to Cancer is Capricorn which is the nourishment of the masses (as opposed to nourishment of the king which is 7th to Leo or nourishment of the individual which is 7th to Aires etc.).

Note that 7th is the 6th to the 2nd. 2nd is nourishment and 7th expands the concept in case the general reader is unaware.

So the Moon, the avatar of Krishna, should be in Capricorn, to denote his nourishment of the masses. And based on the earlier paragraphs of this current reply, Capricorn is the sign of the playground of resources not only for the individual to reach the top of his career path, but also the playground of resources for any individual (whether God, devas or human being), to undertake the nourishment of the masses. But here we are talking about Krishna, the avatar of Vishnu, which happens to be the Moon.

So Moon should be in Capricorn.

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Re: All my Planets in the Correct Signs for Representing Lord Vishnu Avatars

Post by lightray94 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:39 am

A leader will rise from the public, self-proclaiming helps to some extent only. And in a forum like this, one will get nothing by proving a point for himself/herself. Its all about Vedic astrology. As far as I've seen people with gemini sun playing reasonable and rational :)

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:09 am

The Spiritual Science Research Foundation mentioned that any undertading of spiritual practice, whether hatha yoga, reading of scriptures, prayers, meditations, talking about God, writing on spiritual matters or using vedic astrology to help others, putting on talismans, jaapas , installing yantras, yajnas etc. In this period from 2016 to 2018

would have spiritual benefits that is tantamount to 50 times the benefits of one current human life.

This mean if your spiritual practice is potent, you can get the spiritual benefits without the need to undergo re-birth for 50 times.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:38 am

lightray94

It is not about vedic astrology. It is about vedic culture and as long as your motivation and conscience is clear, that should point to the direction to go.

This means self-proclaiming should not be done if your motivation and conscience is not clear.

And of couse we being discrete individual souls, we too at the same time must judge what is being proclaimed. All the more we are vedic astrologers, the eyes of vedic culture.

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Post by neelkumar » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:40 am

Khoo Hock Leong wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:26 pm
In the scriptures there are always parables where sages were deemed crazy. Also tenets where the wise ones are told to live alone and follow their inner calling to live alone and get to God regardless of what others think.

Do you know that I lost 2 gold rings but found back the 2nd one which was to replace the 1st. This 2nd one I bought has Lakshmi inscribed on it.
You are a sage?
You are wise??
Quoting mundane lost and found makes you feel 'the one'???

Rather consider hooch and priest - immediately.

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Post by rathore » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:53 am

Signs are playground for the Avtars? OK so you are introducing a new concept here.. then by derivation sign Arudhas, Planet arudhas, Houses must be something too? And if Signs are Purush and Planets Prakriti, then Nakshatras must be more subtle than Purush because Nakshatras reside in the Sign. But there is nothing more subtle than Purush. It is the essence, the un-manifested, it doesn't get more subtle than that.

Maybe someday you will understand that using weak derivates over derivates loses the original context and goes towards the idea of 'explaining away anything using loose correlations'... just like you came up with Signs = Purush then Nakshatra = what? Ofcourse you can try to explain it away with more exotic derivations (and therefore losing context) but every explanation offered will fall simply because of losing the original context and thereby conflicting some fundamental concept.

7th house rules over milk products per Uttarakalmrit. This is again a good example of using loose derivations with your point of Cancer ruling breasts ..so it must (by weak derivation) rule milk too.

About Cancer being the masses, please cite a verfiable source. We can then discuss further.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:13 am

In fact when I first join the forum I got to know that K N Rao is not in favour of a forum for vedic astrology. He did not give his reason.

But here are my reasons :

People would detract from discussing about the aspect of astrology and tend to discuss about who get the kluedos and who get the boos, and the main objective of the forum is lost. Because astrology, especially vedic astrology, is a superscience, and human beings with a little bit of knowledge, would tend to square off one another to see who is more powerful. We are born sinful remember and hence are demons, for those who are not saints, who want more power.

Astrology is actually a divine subject and not everyone is equipped to discuss about it in the forum. This is actually related to the 1st point.

Unless one recognises that each of us is Atman, and there is an overarching Parabrahman guiding us, and we are part of him, the ensuing discussion of astrology although may at certain times lead to spectacular analysis and prediction, all parties having cognizance of the ideas in the discussion, may miss on certain points in the discussion or have the wrong idea of it, and this may lead to a fall out of bad karma to those people, which can be very hard to redeem.

But we are in the throes of kali yuga and almost 100% of us are irreligious and hence never read the scriptures and never lay our lives before God, even a modicum of it, and thus a forum like this serves two main purposes :

1. To relieve the man in the street misery of his mundane life to help him tide over this current life.

2. Hopefully also to imbue him with aram, the correct way of living.

3. Mabye for the lucky ones, so that they may get a glimpse of God.

Any short of the above, we should not criticise others but we can make known why we feel it is not correct. But this means the other party can refute too and our motivation must be correct and conscience is clear.

Altruism and worldy knowledge (which includes how to fit a divine knowledge like vedic astrology into a forum like this) comes under Venus (Lakshmi) and Rahu (Saraswati) sharpens it. Thus this enviroment is a combination of Venus and Rahu with Jupiter fuelling it behind the scenes. Let not the linkage with Jupiter be forgotten.

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Re: All my Planets in the Correct Signs for Representing Lord Vishnu Avatars

Post by Khoo Hock Leong » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:44 am

Neelkumar

Of course it is not just about the rings.

If you look at my chart :

Venus conjunct Rahu in Ascendant in Pushya in Yoga right on top of my Ascendant ie. cusp of 1st bhava.

Venus disposits Mars via Nakshatra, a Yogakaraka, in own sign in 10th, the house of Krishna.

Venus disposits Mercury via sign in 11th. 11th is 2nd to 10th, the resources of Krishna and Mercury is Krishnu or Vishnu himself.

Rahu (Saraswati) disposits Sun and Jupiter via Nakshatra, Sun can be considered as Vishnu/Shiva (actually both are equivalent) and Jupiter is Dakshinamurthy.

8th is Saraswati's house where Jupiter is placed and 12th is the brains of Saraswati (5th of 8th).

Thus BOTH my Venus and Rahu are beloved by Vishnu/Krishna. In addition, Moon the incarnation of Krishna, aspects the 1st where both Venus and Rahu are placed in Cancer.

On top of that, Venus and Rahu is placed 2nd to Sun, meaning they get their full fledge power from Vishnu, the go-ahead. 2nd to Sun is the place where one gets full authority from the Sun.

Note that Rahu dispositing Jupiter via Nakshatra, and this Jupiter is ruling the 9th too, the house of Durga (a from of Parvarti). Parvarti (actually also the same as Lakshmi if one delve deeper) thus also lend a helping hand. This is also evidenced by the Moon aspecting the 1st and the Moon is conjuncting a malefic signifying Durga.

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Post by neelkumar » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:19 pm

As long as you are happy and steady with whatever - it's cool :-)
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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:55 am

Thanks Neel for your Jupiter graciousness.

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Post by neelkumar » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:38 am

My Jupiter, please remember, Leong-san, is multi-influenced by, I guess, almost all planets..but..still trying to stay adrift!
Nonetheless, thanks!

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Post by GNE » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:01 am

So a guy was sitting alone one day and decided, you know what would be a great idea? = For me to post a thread about how great I am and how all my planets represent Avatars and prove I have such a great perfect chart and am a sage / smarter and more spiritual than anyone else!

:roll:

Because really, that's all this thread and many of Khoo's threads are.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:25 am

I never said that I am more spiritual than the rest. BUT I later found out when I have posted all the above that the 13 face rudraksha bead that I bought actually represent 13 saints.

14 face beed which I am considering buying represents 14 skills - all the metaphysical and spiritual skills granted by Lord Shiva. But I was thinking of buying the 10 bead Rudraksha which represent Vishnu incarnations in my mind, and suddenly I found that my planets all fit correctly into signs based on Vishnu's avatars background stories in the Purana.

Prayer, meditation and fasting. Buying a powerful talisman, unlike what most people think, actually menas you are fated to own that because of your chart.

Pushya in a prominent position definitely helps to ripen one's karma.

Reading of Holy Scriptures helps a lot. Vaughn Paul I saw in another section of this webpage, is organizing a grouping to spearhead the reading of Holy Scriptures.

Vedic culture unlike Abrahammic faith, does not require that you know 100% of what you are doing when worshiping the Gods. You may even do it serendipitiously 100% or even fortuitously 100% granted by God's Grace. That is the beauty of Vedic culture.

But.....having said all the above.....let's not forget the evolvement of spirituality in a person. That is the process of learning which is also a spiritual process........there is a Guru within each of us. Oversee by Dakshinamurthy......Lord Shiva,....also the Isvara that is all around us. Harder to tap than the Isvara of Vishnu....because Shvia is an ascetic rather than a householder.

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Post by rathore » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:48 am

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Lord Shiva,....also the Isvara that is all around us. Harder to tap than the Isvara of Vishnu....because Shvia is an ascetic rather than a householder.
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Actually it's the other way round, if you really are aware of the Puranas. Shiv is also known as Bholenath and gives you whatever you want easily. Anything, literally. This is why demons ask Shiv and not Vishnu. Essentially using weak derivations over derivations you have again contradicted something basic. And now you can try to explain it away by saying what you really when you said 'tap' but that explanation will too fall simply because it will again contradict something basic by trying to be more exotic.

Please stop making up stuff, if possible for you.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:31 am

I have also bought the nine face Rudraksha which represents the nine reincarnations of the Goddess Durga.

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Post by skp23 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:07 pm

Please can you post your birth details. Also I would like to know what do you do these days for your living.

In 2014, there was a big wave where several astrologers posted articles about 'kalki avatar will be born on 14-15 Sept', and there were numerous replies from all over the world saying baby was born in the family on those dates. So far nobody has noticed any of those kids doing anything great (they are 2.5 yrs old now).
Although I strongly believe that vishnu avatar is needed in this world, I doubt if actually world/people/life/human kind can be changed (reformatted) to leave all the bad and start a fresh page for this universe.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:35 am

Signs are Purush and Nakshatras are the jivan atma....

You can consider each of us has a Atma within us .....consisting of signs as the various playground resources...and the nakshatras are pockets where the atma achieve perfection in certain areas but while on Earth... don't forget the overall lordship of nakshatras is the Moon but they are parts of signs whose overall lordship is the Sun.....thus when there is a good configuration of planets involving the nakshatras, it points to a jivan atma... someone who has already attained self-realisation but still living on Earth in his body flesh.

Cancer signifies Mother Earth and the cow is a symbol of everyone's mother.....so milk comes under Cancer.

7th which is the 4th of the 4th thus signify milk products.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:45 am

Skp23

My birth details is :

22nd June 1962

Singapore 1 degree 17 minutes north, 103 degrees 51 minutes East

Time is 9.02 am if you take GMT as +8.0 OR 8.32 am if you take GMT as +7.5. This is because Singapore changesd its GMT from +7.5 to +8.0 on 1st Jan 1983 0:00:00 am. So it depends whether your software can enter the GMT, if yes, use +8.0 and 9:02 am.

If your software only allows entering the city name, then use 9:02 am if it assume the current GMT of +8.0, otherwise if it has an adjustable GMT based on a central atlas, then you should use 8:32 am. Most likely it should be the former as it is less complicated for the software builder.

To double check what I have said, my Cancer Ascendant is close to 4 degrees 10 minutes.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:51 am

Skp23

I am currently now a customer service officer at the causeway between Singapore and West Malaysia collecting the toll for cars.

But I thought of doing partime (or even fulltime) as a professional consultant on vedic astrology with a Guru who is willing to guide me.

My navamsa hit all the right note for sign placement of planets.

My Rasi Chart, all the planets are involed in Raja Yogas...even Mercury which is trined by Ketu which forms a Raja Yoga with the Moon. The Sun is involed in a Vishnu Yoga.

All the planets form a parasol from the 7th to the 1st.

Other yogas like parajit yoga etc. are also embedded within the configuration of planets.

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Post by skp23 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:56 am

Thanks Khoo, the reason I asked for your work etc was that I wanted to know that if someone has a great chart and planet placements, how is the real life. With your planets and yogas, don't you think you should have had a lot superior life. I mean a poor simple person with ordinary charts is also seen to have happy/ satisfied living. But extraordinary chart person should have an extraordinarily superior life....isn't it? Also if you get a chance please write more on your 'cancer ascendent' thread.
I always try to correlate charts with real life to see if planets and yogas actually give "grand" life! Still a mystery :) I don't have great charts at all, rather LL Sa is almost 0 degree, debilitated Ju and Mo, Ke with significators in most higher charts, but I guess I have better life than what my planets and charts indicate :)
Please can you comment on possibility of kalki avatar in real. Ofcourse it takes time to exhibit extraordinary personality but it gives early signs as I have heard. I am searching for him/her desparately :twisted:

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Post by rathore » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:52 am

Nakshatras are the Jiva atma?

Ok so there you have introduced yet another new exotic (made up) concept to explain away something else. So if Nakshatras are the Jiva atma, then what are Navamsas? After all Navamsas make up Nakshatras. Are they the MINI-ME's inside every Jiva atma?

Let's not move ahead of ourselves by getting into new areas such as "Atma achieving perfection". Let's just solve this first :- Signs = Purush, Nakshatras = Jiva Atma, Navamsas = what?

You still haven't answered about Arudhas = what? Houses = what? source of Cancer = masses. All these in context of Avtars. I hope its not getting tough to explain away things now that loose correlations are being called out.

Now that you know that 7th house rules milk products so that means Moon in Libra is Krishna and not Moon in Capricorn. Here is the earlier explanation that I made up (just like you are making up all these):

Moon in Libra: Krishna - because Krishna liked butter too much and the 7th house (naturally Libra) rules milk products. Besides Krishna showed his Vishwaroop to Arjun while in the natural public sign of Libra.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:41 pm

My ferry bus is coming so I cannot give you a detailed reply.

Actually in the earlier post of this thread where I talked the aim of the blog such as this, I said it serves three main objectives : for the betterment of mundane affairs, to educate the masses of the precepts of spiritual living which would in turn guide mundane living and to get closer to God. The importance of each is ranked in ascending influence and ascending importance for such a blog. This list also actually parallels the objectives we hoe to attain when we try to find out the meaning of a chart. Of course for most spiritually uninclined persons, their sole aim is only for the first objective : inordinate increasing gains day by day.

Anyway your answer actually points to my next step ahead based on God's enlightenment on me.

Six out of my 9 planets are in inactive avasthas like sleeping etc. (the one expounded in detail by Parasara which I have a past post on - forgot the term, is it Sayann). This inactive avasthas are not as bad as the malefic ones (within this group, Sayann, which I am referring to). The malefic ones in combination with functional rulerships of certain bhavas can be really bad......

To be continued......
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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:50 pm

To alleviate the influence of the inactive avasthas :

10 mukhi rudraksha has vishnu as the governing deity who is a householder and it also defeats the malefic effects of all the planets. It gives general good fortune all round (as expected based on the preceding statement). It acts as a shield against misfortune and promotes career growth.

14 mukhi rudraksha has Saturn as the planet, Hanuman as the overall symbolic representation of the Rudraksha and Lord Shiva as the deity. Here unlike the Bali story, Saturn is propitiating Lord Shiva who has immense knowledge, which is good for setting up a business. Saturn in tandem with Hanuman can bring the necessary skill set and auspiciousness into the business. 14 mukhi rudraksha also has the sprituality to bring the necessary detachment into a person towards materiality, which can result in great gains in a business. This translates into an internal ascetic at heart even while he is doing business.

This two rudrakshas is worth the purchase.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:20 am

The other alternative way is this :

Now we know from my past post the faces of the Rudrakshas represent the power of the numbers in its natural state. On the other hand your birthdate and the full birthday represents the power of the numbers in its most radical state (I use a different term of usage in the past post).

So for example 4 represents Mercury. But 4 is the radical number of Rahu. And the four face Rudraksha represents Mercury but if your birthdate (DD) or the full birthday (DD/MM/YYYY) the digits add up to 4, it represents Rahu. All this is acknowledged by the respective scriptures - those on Rudraksha (via the descriptions of the various faced Rudraksha), those on general Puranic literature (like number 3 is represented by Mars which is Shiva's third eye) and those on numerology (number 3 resulting from the adding of digits in your birthdate or birthday represents Jupiter).

Since base on my birthdate and birthday, I have numbers 1 and 4, which represent the Sun and Rahu.........

Should I also tie with the same numbers in the Rudraksha faces of 1 and 4, which represents Sun and Mercury (remember for the Sun, Moon and Venus, both the natural number and the radical number are the same), (meaning Mercury and Rahu thus have ties via the number 4).

This may result in power linkages.

In that case then it would be better to get the Rudraksha of 10 face (for the number 1 for the Sun) and the Rudraksha of 8 face (for the number 8 which is 4 x 2 representing Siddhies and Riddhis ie. the 4th bhava and then taking 2 steps reaching the 5th bhaval; and thus Mercury and Rahu for the number 4, Jupiter and Mercury for the number 5 (this number is Jupiter's natural number and Mercury's radical number). Note also the 10 face Rudraksha is also 5 x 2 so also covers Mercury and Jupiter for the number 5 and for the number 2 it would cover the Moon (both the radical and natural planet is the same for the number 2).

Thus this combination of 10 plus 14 mukhi Rudraksha covers :

Sun, Moon, Mercury, Jupiter, Rahu

Whereas for the earlier decision based on the 10th mukhi Rudraksha and the 14th mukho Rudraksha.....

the numbers involved are :

10 covers 1 and 5 x 2 (as above)
and 8 covers 8, 4 and 2 : for 8 it is Saturn and Rahu, 4 it is Mercury and Rahu and 2 it is the Moon.

So the planets involved for this combination of Rudrakshas would be :

Sun, Moon, Mercury, Jupiter, Rahu and Saturn.

But the 14 mukhi Rudraksha also involves Hanuman, Saturn (even though the numbers either radical or natural do not point to the planet Saturn) and Lord Shiva.

8 mukhi Rudraksha involves Rahu as a fact that because it is a single digit so that the power of Rahu is all powerful and the deity Ganesha.

So therefore it becomes whether I want Ganesha into my life or Hanuman+Lord Shiva?

Now Lord Shiva I already have a Parad Shiva Lingam and Lord Shiva is also the general ruler of all these Rudraksha beads (some Purana says Pravarti is the overall in charge which I also mentioned in my past post).

So between Ganesha and Hanuman?

Between Ketu and Mars?

I already have the 9 bead Rudraksha and 9 is the natural number for Ketu although the 9th bead represents Durga and Rahu represents Durga (this is acknowledged by most Vedic Astrologers0. 9 also stands for Mars but it is only through the birthday and birthdate (9 is Mars radical number), BUT 9 is 3 x 3 and 3 is Mars natural number (the 3 face Rudraksha bead represent Mars).

So difficult to break the tie between the 8th bead and the 14th bead......

Both are also Lord Shiva's sons.

Now my Saturn is with Ketu in my chart and Mars only has a weak association with Saturn via mutual kendras which actually can be strong if Saturn is in its own sign but here Saturn is retrogade........

So to bring in the association of Mars with Saturn, the 14th bead is thus chosen over the 8th bead. With my Ganesha's tusk on my hand through my scribe in this blog, I believe Ganesha would still continue to play a big part in my life, notwithstanding my choice.

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Re: All my Planets in the Correct Signs for Representing Lord Vishnu Avatars

Post by Khoo Hock Leong » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:35 am

Just for the interest of readers, both the 8th mukhi rudraksha and the 14th mukhi rudraksha lead to the 8 bhava.

14 is 7 x 2 so from the 7th bhava you count two steps which leads to the 8th.

I have a pure Jupiter in the 8th so this would lead to a better insight into divinatory knowledge.

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