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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by astrolearner15 » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:41 am

^^ Do you mean your Jupiter is in Capricorn, as that is the sign of debilitation, rather than Aquarius?

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by neelkumar » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:30 pm

astrolearner15 wrote:
Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:41 am
^^ Do you mean your Jupiter is in Capricorn, as that is the sign of debilitation, rather than Aquarius?
Sorry, I didn't quite get your question.
What I meant is Jupiter in Aquarius isn't supposed to be a good placement..that too in the lagna..right?
But then, according to the rule mentioned in this thread..does Jupiter (because Jupiter is retro in my chart), make it a good placement?
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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by astrolearner15 » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:31 pm

^^ In your previous post, you mentioned that your Jupiter was debilitated. So I was confirming whether it was in Capricorn or Aquarius.

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by neelkumar » Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:58 pm

My Jupiter is in Aquarius. He is retrograde. Aquarius is also my lagna. And I am Capricorn Rashi.

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by nneeysar » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:37 am

Respected Marian I,
I hope you are fine and enjoying good health. I want little help. Saturn Retro in Saggi, so it will work as saturn in gemini. So my question is saturn in gemini works better than saturn in Sagittarius, as saturn is neutral to jupiter and friend of mercury.

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by marian i. » Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:15 am

Hi,

Dear Neelkumar, Jupiter is not debilitated in Aquarius (only Capricorn is the debilitation Rasi for Jupiter). In Aquarius is not that good because this Rasi is ruled by Saturn and Rahu, which are tamasic in nature, and also Aquarius is the natural bhadaka Rasi for the natural Zodiac. In your case, Jupiter gives the results of the opposite Rasi- Leo. This is much better.

Dear Nneeysar, Saturn is equally good in Saggitarius and Gemini. But, some Raja Yogas are formed by Saturn in Saggitarius (like Saturn in Lagna in Saggitarius), which is considered a good placement (also for Saturn in Pisces).



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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by neelkumar » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:53 am

marian i. wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:15 am
Hi,

Dear Neelkumar, Jupiter is not debilitated in Aquarius (only Capricorn is the debilitation Rasi for Jupiter). In Aquarius is not that good because this Rasi is ruled by Saturn and Rahu, which are tamasic in nature, and also Aquarius is the natural bhadaka Rasi for the natural Zodiac. In your case, Jupiter gives the results of the opposite Rasi- Leo. This is much better.



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Thanks marian i. for clearing my confusion.
'Guess my Leo (7th) House is already quite crowded with Sun in His own House, Mercury and Mars at loggerheads and now Jupiter! :)
So, what happens to my Lagna - it's vacant then? In my Navamsha, Moon in Pisces Lagna..
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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by marian i. » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:05 am

Hi,

No, Jupiter is not in 7th house, but in Lagna and will give the results of Jupiter in Lagna but in Leo, and also its lordship (2nd and 11th houses) remains the same. Thus, you have Aquarius Lagna with Jupiter, but Jupiter is more sattvic by retrogradation.
Jupiter in 1st for this Lagna is a strong Dhana Yoga (ruler of 2nd and 11th as karaka for these houses). Whichever house Lord aspects/ occupy the Lagna will give the blessings of that house to the native.

Jupiter in Lagna and Mars in 7th is not a good combination, thus it is good if you will do some remedies for this.


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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by neelkumar » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:59 pm

Thanks marian i.

Could you please give an example or a situational instance explaining "Jupiter is in Lagna and will give results of Jupiter in Lagna but in Leo" - kinda confusing to me!

In your very early posts, you mentioned:
marian i. wrote:
Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:32 am
Hi,

Yes, this rule always works.

Exalted+ retrograde= debilitated;
Debilitated+ retrograde= exalted.

Retrograde means "the opposite results", astrologicaly. Also, for all the retrograde planets this rule works. If someone has Jupiter in Gemini retrograde, he will act like Jupiter in Saggitarius. The worst placements are of natural malefic planets in kendra, in own house but retrograde. Hell on earth type of results.
The rule is given in a book which is considered authoritative (I forgat for now the title/ author of that book).

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1) "He will act like Jupiter in Sagittarius" - the word "act" means?
2) So the rule "Debilitated + Retrograde = Exalted" - doesn't hold in my chart or does it - since Jupiter is retrograde in Aquarius Lagna ?
3) These terminologies like "exalted" or "debilitated" - do they mean range - for example - I have no debilitated planets in my chart but I have no exalted planets either..but..some planets are enemies and one or two are friends - your thoughts please.

Thanks again!

P.S. Personally, if you ask me, I am pretty scared of my Jupiter - out of my sheer indulgence, early on in 2016, I wore a Pukhraj - within a month, my Dad's elder brother - whom I relate with quite a lot personality, mindset and even physical appearance-wise, passed away suddenly. That shook me so much that I immediately removed the Pukhraj - so much was the effect that even now sometimes, I get nervous thinking about the incident. Nonetheless, the entire 2016 was an awful year for me overall - right from the beginning until the end.
My birth details: 29/08/1974, 19:10, Ambarnath (Maharashtra)

मेरे दिल में दर्द है, दया है, तुम्हारे लिए कुछ है..मत पूछो क्या है~
मैं नेक दिल हूँ, बुरा क्या सोचूं~
तुम्हारी मोहब्बत, तुम्हारी वफ़ा..इनसे मुझे क्या है हासिल, फिर भी~
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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by nneeysar » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:14 am

[quote="marian i." post_id=237026 time=1489518935 user_id=17503]
Hi,


Dear Nneeysar, Saturn is equally good in Saggitarius and Gemini. But, some Raja Yogas are formed by Saturn in Saggitarius (like Saturn in Lagna in Saggitarius), which is considered a good placement (also for Saturn in Pisces).



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M
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Thanks Marian I for reply. I understand but confused, as my saturn is retro in my birth chart, so i am sending my birth details. Also jupiter is in enemy sign in gemini. So any chance of jupiter cancellation of debilitation, like neech bhang or else???

Date of Birth: 24-Aug-1989
Time of Birth: 00:30 AM
Place of Birth: (city) Faisalabad, (Province) Punjab, Pakistan

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by nneeysar » Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:19 am

[quote="marian i." post_id=237026 time=1489518935 user_id=17503]
Hi,

Dear Neelkumar, Jupiter is not debilitated in Aquarius (only Capricorn is the debilitation Rasi for Jupiter). In Aquarius is not that good because this Rasi is ruled by Saturn and Rahu, which are tamasic in nature, and also Aquarius is the natural bhadaka Rasi for the natural Zodiac. In your case, Jupiter gives the results of the opposite Rasi- Leo. This is much better.

Dear Nneeysar, Saturn is equally good in Saggitarius and Gemini. But, some Raja Yogas are formed by Saturn in Saggitarius (like Saturn in Lagna in Saggitarius), which is considered a good placement (also for Saturn in Pisces).



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M
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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by anilesh47 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:14 am

The concept of retrograde is simple. Exalted planet retro means work as a debilitated. It means it works as exactly opposite house. For example Saturn exalted in Tula and it works like debilitated if it is retro, it means saturn debilitated in Aries which is exact opposite of Tula. The same theory is in other retro planets.
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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by lightray94 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:18 am

In my case it didn't work. I have saturn R in 7th (aquarius) and I feel having sasa yoga. whenever I take the initiative people follow me, even though I dont want to be a lead , experienced many times from my childhood

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by anilesh47 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:51 am

Its depend on case to case. Your saturn is retro in aquarius it means it works as exact opposite house it means Its Leo sign. And what is Leo? Leo itself is a Leader, Lion. Aquarius shows circle, followers..
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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by Khoo Hock Leong » Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:30 pm

To have a more complete perspective :

A retrogade planet :

(1) Exhibit characteristics of the opposite sign. This is because by going backwards, it means the planet is no more taking itself in the sign it is placed. It is taking care of the other - the 7th to where it is placed. Through taking care of others, can one gain spirituality, which is what a retrogade planet is all about, a spiritual seeker.

(2) A Yoga or a conjunction or aspects with planets that are its friends or neutrals within its camp mean that he planet is tied back to the sign in which it placed. Thus the sign it is placed becomes more dominant.

(3) A Yoga or a conjunction or aspects with planets that are its enemies or neutrals in the other camp (and therefore friends or neutrals within the camp of the opposite sign) mean that the planet swerves towards the opposite sign again.

For (2) and (3) determine the net effect whether it is towards the sign in which it is placed or towards the opposite sign in which it is placed.

(4) A retrogade planet with no participation in any yogas from where it is placed or not conjuncting any planets from where it is placed or not aspecting or receiving aspects from where it is placed would primarily reflect on the sign where it is retrogading to ie. the previous sign. Even if (2) and (3) exist, the goal of the retrogade planet is to seek the characteristic of the sign 12th to it, the sign that epitomises spirituality to the planet.

So like my Saturn is in the 7th retrogading in Capricorn, it is seeking perfection through work of the 6th bhava where it has the sign Sagittarius overlaying over the 6th, notwithstanding it is exhibiting characteristics of Capricorn and Cancer - Capricorn because Saturn is receiving an aspect and itself is aspecting Venus, its friend; Cancer because Saturn is conjuncting the Moon.

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by Crystalpages » Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:31 pm

Dear Khoo_jee,

Why would retrograde (anti-cycle) go 7 signs back? Bhrigu nadi recommends that it goes one sign backwards and that does make sense!

Perhaps myths about retrogrades have been OVER-STATED? They really are products of geocentric fixation?

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Re: Retrograde and Exalted = Debilitated?

Post by neelkumar » Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:19 pm

Can anyone really claim for sure if at all if a retrograde planet (for example : retro-Jupiter in Aquarius lagna, in my chart) will behave any different as compared to a non-retrograde planet?

Some say the effects are all same!
Some say the effects are different - now that's where there's even more confused analyses - as results/effects vary from astrologer to astrologer! :mrgreen:

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